Would love to visit.
It was Knorr's most favoritest place in the whole, wide world. But I won't hold that fact against the country.
Billy the Ex-Bethelite
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Moving
by HowTheBibleWasCreated inthis is my half reason i canlt leave jws;s is i need them.. for now... the same elder that gave me $100 when m wife just gave birth... and helped me find our car.... helped me find guys to help me move.
moving from an apartment to a trailer.. but... as much as i love these guys as people i know they only help because they are witnesses.... .
i still need them for now.. if i ever can get my wife out of this it meansit's alot arder.. oh well.
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Billy the Ex-Bethelite
I won't judge you for accepting any help you can get. From the tone, it sounds like you're already hard enough on yourself and see the need for change. We each have different circumstances and paths.
As far as these that are helping you, I find it encouraging that there are still some JWs of that caliber. Sure, all JWs know the Bible says to help fellow believers, but when it comes down to really doing it, many disappear. "I would help you, but I have to go in Serve-US. Sorry." Or they'll show up "to help" but come late, do the least possible, expect you to buy them pizza.
My suggestion would be to show genuine appreciation and find a way to repay their kindness. NonJWs do that for each other all the time.
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Elders answer questions about the changes of the blood ban
by opusdei1972 insome days ago two elders visited my sister because she has not been attending the meetings more than one year.
this time she prepared notes containing watchtower past teachings about the blood ban so as to ask them for those changes, and it seems that the elders were also prepared for her past questions.
for instance she showed them that "albumin" was considered "under scriptural ban" in 1956 (read the page 20 of awake, september 8).
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Billy the Ex-Bethelite
"She should of asked them then what was the point in Jesus sacrifice and all his teachings if we still have to live under the mosaic law???"
Their answer will be that the blood ban is enforced because it predates the Mosaic Law to the command to Noah to not eat blood. Again that theology is a mess because the context clearly shows that the prohibition is against eating the blood of dead animals. Since they can eat all the meat they want, this wasn't a life-saving issue. Blood transfusions are from live donors and can be a life-saving issue. It's certainly not a case where the recipient would eat the human donor's flesh for dinner and pour out their blood. Transfusion is not the same as eating.
Their next answer would be to go to Acts and quote "abstain from blood" and say that even after the sacrifice of Jesus, true christians would sooner die than have anything to do with blood. That's not true since there are no other verses in the NT suggesting that. And as far as that instruction by the "first century governing body," very soon afterward, Paul completely discredited it. In fact, that whole meeting was about circumcision and concluded that it wasn't required of christians. Yet what was one of the first things that Paul did afterward? He circumcised Timothy, directly contrary to that decision.
Also listed in that command was to abstain "from things sacrificed to idols." In fact, it was listed first, before blood. That decision was issued in 49CE. In 55CE, Paul wrote 1 Cor 10:25-30 saying that food sacrificed to idols was a conscience matter. When you buy meat or are a guest, don't even ask. Only if someone makes the point of saying that this is an idolatrous sacrificial offering, then don't eat. So if Paul switched the command to abstain from such food to a "don't ask, don't tell" policy, where does that leave the command to abstain from blood. Wouldn't it also be "don't ask, don't tell"? I would conclude that it's wise to accept the best treatment option available, but refuse the blood if they say something like, "this blood came from a pig that we slaughtered, and we're giving it to you so you disobey the command JoeHoover gave to floodboy Noah."
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THE CURRENT FADING OF BRAND NAME "THE WATCHTOWER"
by steve2 inthe current fading of brand name "the watchtower" & the rise, rise, rise of jw.org.
the watchtower as brand name is in the process of being imperceptibly faded from visibility in the organization.
who'd have thought you could make a watchtower fade and disappear?
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Billy the Ex-Bethelite
If they're going to make a big deal about JW.org, I think it's high time to make a suitable acronym and get it in the urban vocabulary. I think JO is a commonly understood acronym. Perhaps JW.org would mean something like, "jack wildly to orgasm". It could be dropped in conversation, "I met this beautiful girl at the bar last night and went back to my place for some JW.org. It was smokin' hot!"
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This weeks Bible highlights. What did you think?
by KateWild inleviticcus 14 -16. well i thought most of it was not appllicable for our day and certainly some parts are not appropriate for children.
chapter 14 is about cleansing from leprosy.
i didn't read the verses, i 've read leviticus before.
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Billy the Ex-Bethelite
Kate, If you're going to go with marginal notes, you really need to put drawings in the margins of leviticus.
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A male organist having a discharge from his pipes in the general area.
Just trying to make that awful bible a bit more interesting and appropriate for children.
"Now everyone join in singing as Br. Goofball puts his fingers to the organ. We'll be singing song number 69 entitled, 'God Kills Everyone Engaging in Oral Sex.' ... That's song number 69"
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Elders answer questions about the changes of the blood ban
by opusdei1972 insome days ago two elders visited my sister because she has not been attending the meetings more than one year.
this time she prepared notes containing watchtower past teachings about the blood ban so as to ask them for those changes, and it seems that the elders were also prepared for her past questions.
for instance she showed them that "albumin" was considered "under scriptural ban" in 1956 (read the page 20 of awake, september 8).
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Billy the Ex-Bethelite
The JW theology regarding blood transfusions is a mess. The elders give a horrible answer because the ban is indefensible.
Their prohibition is based on a few cherry-picked verses regarding eatting blood of dead animals (transfused blood comes from live human donors and isn't "eaten" like a PBJ sandwich) and a statement in Acts (which Paul discredited a few years later).
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Do You Like or Dislike Algebra? Why and Why not?
by Scott77 injuly 28, 2012is algebra necessary?by andrew hacker .
a typical american school day finds some six million high school students and two million college freshmen struggling with algebra.
in both high school and college, all too many students are expected to fail.
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Billy the Ex-Bethelite
I like algebra, geometry, and trig. I had excellent teachers for all of them. I like calc I. That was also an outstanding teacher. My calc II teacher wasn't so good, so I suffered through that, as well as the following math classes that finished the sequence. My experience leads me to conclude that teaching is a part of the problem.
I question the merit of the argument of that article. (Why am I not surprised that it was a political science professor that co-authored a book about how colleges are crap.) The title can be easily rewritten with any subject. "Is ____ Necessary?" Insert "English", "History", "P.E.", etc. For that matter, is eduction necessary? Why read when everyone can just watch TV? Instead of all those hard classes, just have two classes: One class entitled "popular culture" where everybody talks about what they watch on TV. The other class entitled "political science" where everybody talks about how they'll never get a job after graduation unless it's teaching the class "political science."
Should the whole thing be scrapped and just send the kids home? I don't think so. But I think something needs to change. I think it's terrible that so many kids are having such a hard time with math.
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US Supreme Court: Hobby Lobby wins we lose
by designs inthe old guys sided with hobby lobby today in denying birth control coverage to its female employees based on the owners religious views.
intact- is viagra for the guys.
funny how the far right evangelical owners of hobby lobby didn't want to touch that one.... read judge ginburg's scathing counter argument and opinion.. www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/13-354_olp1.pdf.
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Billy the Ex-Bethelite
I'll admit that I'm not that "in the know" about all of the female contraception options. But I know what my sisters have said about some of the things, particularly Plan B. And they say, "what about..."
Rape.
This may be rather rare, but I have a female relative, single, hormone issues. Not needing daily birth control, also not a great option with the hormone problems to have the pill daily affecting her hormones. Becoming pregnant would be very dangerous for her because of the hormones and other reasons. She doesn't work at HL, but assume she did. May it never, ever happen, but what if she got raped. Despite the denial by some, a woman can get pregnant from being raped just once.
Now what? For the sake of her own survival, she will likely go for Plan B, ASAP. Since HL has rigged it to be certain that insurance pays nothing, she will pay out-of-pocket. So far, it doesn't seem like a big deal, except she's waiting for her prescription and a single coworker of hers at HL, Johnny Player comes in and gets his $80 worth of Viagra for $20. On the one hand, this HL insurance deal endorses Johnny's playing. On the other hand, it punishes a rape victim. And it's not just the cost of the coverage, it's the moral judgment. HL refuses coverage for moral reasons and consequently, anyone that uses Plan B is "immoral". As if surviving rape isn't challenging enough, these victims get victimized again.
So in the black/white view of HL corporation, the 'moral' thing is for the victim to reject Plan B and if pregnancy occurs, then carry the child. Switching to the case of a healthy woman that's pregnant because of rape, she would now be noticably pregnant at work. Although it's really nobody else's business in a workplace, everybody knows everyone else's marriage or dating status, from what I've experienced. If this corporation is as fundy as it appears, pregnant single women are whores. So, does this woman need to explain to everyone at work that she was raped, maybe include in on her HL name tag? And if this corporation is as fundy as it appears, they would expect her to put the baby up for adoption (to a proper fundy family) because a single mom can't make a proper home for a child. That's a tough and terrible decision for a woman if she gets to this point. Even though conceived from rape, the baby is hers and has been with her for months. Indeed, a tough situation. And to this point, HL morally said that she should have the baby if she was raped... they'll take responsibility for that decision. But will they put their HL money where their corporate mouth is? Are they going to help pay for raising the child? Of course not, that was the "mother's personal decision to have a child"... that's the fundy way... A fetus is sacred and they'll do everything they can to make sure it's born. But once it's born, they lose interest in it's well-being. They'll fight against gvt funding for children's healthcare, public education, etc.
Returning to the example of my relative. The doctors had explained that she would likely have terrible health problems before eventually losing the fetus. Would HL be understanding through this entire ordeal, giving the time off needed and covering all the medical expenses? Will she have to explain all the painful details of her private life in order to try to save her job?
Am I using a too specific example? Am I projecting too much of my JW history on HL corporation? From what little I've paid attention to this case, it seems the majority of the judges took a very broad swipe that favored a narrow religious view held by the boss, but ignored the painful realities and hard choices of real life for the employee.
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"It's not religious..." Wait... What???
by dynamiterose77 inmy friend, mike works as a massage therapist, and there is a woman at the shop that is super-jw-woman and is constantly hounding him with things.. today, he's messaging me and he tells me that she was trying to push a brochure or something on him.
he said he'd really rather not read a religious pamphlet.. so... she says, "it's not religious... it's from god.".
isn't that kinda what religious means?
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VERY short day at the Arlington/Dallas International Convention-My Observations
by CaptainSchmideo inokay, some good takeaway:.
i have never been to a convention quite like this before.
a very friendly vibe all around, lots of banners and posters with sayings like "sending love to all our brothers", "see you in the paradise", "ecuador sends greetings", and "jehovahs-witness.net" (okay, i lied on that last one...).
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Billy the Ex-Bethelite
"See you in paradise", eh?
Sounds like they're trying to put an optimistic spin on the reality of WT's new order...
"See You in HELL!"
